have a guy who can get through without a lot of controversial because he will have a fight over chuck hagel. already pulled susan rice. so jack lew has worked with everybody on the hill, republicans and democrats, that's where the came from-spend the early part of his career. everybody knows him, a touch negotiator -- a tough negotiator. >> shepard: a very big player with a lot of work to do. you talk about what's coming up in march with the debt ceiling fight. the president already said he is not negotiating. >> of course and the republicans have drawn a line in the sand. so we have the starting point. now we have to see if either side is going to meet in the third medical. circumstances will force them to do something because if it goes up to the last second the last time they fought this battle, the marked tanked and that there will have to be some compromise. >> shepard: we get these red alerts on the wire services. the pentagon just come out talking about how they would cut in case they did come up to this debt limit, because it's going to affect everyone in the country, and for that m